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cpl_fisher
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| Kaylana Syi wrote: | | The north is just transforming back to what it was before the Great War was. Only now Morsus Mihi is the new D2 and people don't realize the real shade of blue with RA is green. If you think otherwise, talk to Smashkill. |
Nobody likes smashkill though.
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Blazde
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Location: 4S//Morsus Mihi
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| Aypse wrote: | | Its an honest criticism of the Northern nap, don't take it personally. You say you are happy having reds around, but you hold onto your blues in a permanent bear-hold. As an outsider, the only reasonable conclusion based upon observations, is that the Northern nap was created to avoid risk. To me, it comes across as borderline abuse of game mechanics. Basically, form such an epic super-blob, that no one can function enough to contest space. |
I wrote here, among other things, why I believe the northern coalition formed:
http://eve-search.com/thread/708252/page/2#43
Most relevant bit being:
| Quote: | In short, for anti-BoB folk, things looked very bleak. Note that at this point it was not 'BoB and pets' but 'BoB and several very large self sufficient alliances'. ASCN and LV were viewed as superpowers by this point.
Not much 'Great' was going to happen just yet. Capital fleets were still a bit too small (even BoB's) to do any serious sustained multi-region damage, but in the north we certainly saw the War appear on the horizon and began preparing. A cold war phase began, if you like. BoB were THE global threat. Opposing them was necessary if you wanted to wield any remotely significant power in EVE. It didn't take a genius to see a new military and diplomatic doctrine was needed especially for traditionally solitary alliances (which G and RAWR certainly were at least). Critics call the doctrine a napfest. I see powerblocks as an inevitable result of changes in game mechanics. Another popular argument is that it's all BoB's fault for playing EVE in 'Total War' mode and when they're purged conflict will become local again.
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G and TRUST merged to form D2 and with IRON, RZR, RAWR and a few smaller transient alliances forged a powerblock, rapidly conquered the north (most of which was somewhat weakly held at the time) and dug in with pretty much the sole goal of surviving when BoB came.
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That was then, what we want most in a strategic sense now is to be able to go and fight BoB, knowing our home will still be reasonbly intact when we return. That's why the 'new north' was removed, they would have invaded us the second we set foot in the south. It's why a NIP with TRI suited us. And it's why Insurgency is now BoB's biggest asset in the north, regardless of actual standings.
A single-minded desire to oppose what is still the most powerful entity in the game is not a risk averse strategy. We paid for our first attack on Querious with an invasion spearheaded by MC that was too strong and too fast for us to stop. We're only now, nearly a year later, regaining territory lost then. Things are different now, BoB's powerblock has since been significantly eroded, but they're still a huge threat. So don't expect us to stop trying to constitute a powerful opposition. If we wanted peaceful carebearing we'd be living in empire, or would have signed up as BoB pets right around the time they gained all those southern territories. We *do* love small gang warfare (hello roots) but we also enjoy the bigger, more epic, more memorable conlicts. Lag, warts and all. If you don't then fine, EVE is many different things to many people, but you're probably in the wrong forum. You just can't roll with a no-politics policy and be a significant force in 0.0 under current game mechanics.
It doesn't follow of course that if BoB ceased to exist tomorrow the north would cancel all naps, but the pressures that cause us to band together would be less. And *if* the northern coalition, or for that matter the global anti-BoB coalition ever became game-breakingly powerful - in the sense that noone could oppose us (something I once feared BoB might become) - I've already vowed personally to other RAWR leaders that I'll do everything in my power to break it up. And I'm definetely not alone in holding a loyalty to the game above all else. RAWR also has a draft charter of sorts which includes similar sentiments. But none of that is a worry as long as BoB still holds soverienty.
| R.N - Komolov wrote: | <3 4s. Started doing this since their campaign against -V- to avenge fallen carebear.  |
This was actually what led to the original RAWR/RA NAP. Anyone who has a problem with it can blame Legionar for being a dozy farmer 
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R.N - Komolov
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Blazde wrote: |
This was actually what led to the original RAWR/RA NAP. Anyone who has a problem with it can blame Legionar for being a dozy farmer |
It was me who came to nync and said: hey, look, boys are having issues with -V-, let's ask them may be we have something common. Investigate on your own, he replied. So I catched someone from 4s in local, do not remember who it was, and asked him whom i may contact about diplomatic stuff. The rest is a history
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xBlood
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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That first one.....is just.... |
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[CEI]Fred0
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Location: Cutting Edge Inc. (CEI) / Razor Alliance (RZR)
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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People can debate our tactics all along but since we too this space 2+ years ago it's been a very good tactic. We weren't huge succesfull alliances back then and the amount of critique we get is due to our success when it comes to taking and defending space. No doubt our time will come like anyone elses but considering the pvp'ers we manage to keep and the kills we get there's not many complaints.
Lazy pvp'ers always complain. The not so lazy ones will always find targets. When the North is secured we'll be basing out of somewhere else shortly, no doubt being forced back again when our enemies strike our homes
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Virtuozzo
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Maxwell Power
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Aypse wrote: |
It seems as though you guys are happy that the north is so peaceful & friendly. What the hell are you doing all day? Don't you get tired of NPCing & waiting for a hostile gang to wonder into your space? How can it not bother you that you have to go 30+ jumps to get into any non-blue space?
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Generally some knowledge helps. 30 jumps? Try 4. Or none usually. Tribute is the gateway region to the entire north in large part, we constantly have small gangs of hostiles coming and going from wherever to wherever. This is the key attraction actually to the region is that we don't travel for PvP it comes to us. No effort required. Non blue space lol well since all our enemies have retreated to venal that makes that region something close to a mosh pit currently with lots of free fire targets. We've never been short on targets for the most part actually. It literally comes in stages, the faces change but that's about it. First we had TCF, then the "new north", then trisurgency and after this all settles out we'll have someone else. Who it is no idea yet but someone else always forms up to eventually be given a beat down.
Tribute is the casablanca of eve and it's one of the only reasons that we like it here. |
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Navigator Six
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Generally there are always a few hostile alliances around the north, and I was under the impression that the Coalition actually liked this, as it kept their members on their toes. However, this stance might have changed, as a pretty sizeable effort is being put in to make life difficult for Insurgency in PF-QHK and PA / SoV in 6NJ.
Max is quite right about Tribute / Venal being a good place to find targets. From my perspective in Venal, we've got RZR / MH to the north, IRON / Atlas / Pure / etc to the east, and MM / Hydra to the south, all within a short hop, and all willing to fight.
(not a Dek post, but the thread seems to have veered off into a Northern one) |
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[CEI]Fred0
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Location: Cutting Edge Inc. (CEI) / Razor Alliance (RZR)
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| Navigator Six wrote: | | Generally there are always a few hostile alliances around the north, and I was under the impression that the Coalition actually liked this, as it kept their members on their toes. However, this stance might have changed, as a pretty sizeable effort is being put in to make life difficult for Insurgency in PF-QHK and PA / SoV in 6NJ. |
Quite right. It has changed slightly. We need to keep a closer eye from now on so that a new INSRG doesn't form there and is given time to build up significant infrastructure from which to threaten us.
Normally we haven't bothered with that and I still don't think anyone from the Northern Coalition is stupid enough to think that we can remove anyone from npc stations because we can't. We're just gonna start keeping a closer eye on it so we know wtf is going on and cna nip it in the bud when it gets real threatening.
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Helen
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| [CEI]Fred0 wrote: | | Navigator Six wrote: | | Generally there are always a few hostile alliances around the north, and I was under the impression that the Coalition actually liked this, as it kept their members on their toes. However, this stance might have changed, as a pretty sizeable effort is being put in to make life difficult for Insurgency in PF-QHK and PA / SoV in 6NJ. |
Quite right. It has changed slightly. We need to keep a closer eye from now on so that a new INSRG doesn't form there and is given time to build up significant infrastructure from which to threaten us.
Normally we haven't bothered with that and I still don't think anyone from the Northern Coalition is stupid enough to think that we can remove anyone from npc stations because we can't. We're just gonna start keeping a closer eye on it so we know wtf is going on and cna nip it in the bud when it gets real threatening. |
A sound proposition, go razor.
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