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elmicker



Joined: 27 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han LaoTsu wrote:
if you kill a T2 fitted BS and lose 5 T1 frigs, who won?

You, if it means you keep coming back. One more like that and i'll be above olly on the killboard. He keeps cheating and using bubbles instead of flying real ships.
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Nexus Oblivion



Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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Location: WR3CK

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han LaoTsu wrote:
Sometimes the frig gangs are successful, sometimes not. They usually do more damage than they take, however. Like this:


Like I said before, if you kill a T2 fitted BS and lose 5 T1 frigs, who won? I suppose if all you are shooting for is number of kills/losses you guys are ahead. If you look at efficiency however its an even split between the coalition/unat. Any way you measure it, plenty of PVP action, that is for certain.


Let me put it another way, 732 kills for 131 losses... Go figure Rolling Eyes

http://kb.un-natural.com/?a=home

But if it makes you happy believe what you want to believe, but I'm sure UNAT are happy to continue to farm your frig spawns.
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Han LaoTsu



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't suppose I can speak for other alliances, but SWAT has a decent ratio, even by your own killboard:

http://kb.un-natural.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=480
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Nexus Oblivion



Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han LaoTsu wrote:
I don't suppose I can speak for other alliances, but SWAT has a decent ratio, even by your own killboard:

http://kb.un-natural.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=480


As the expression goes lies damned lies and statistics.. which do you want to quote individual corp or overall staistics or what ever suits at the time? the facts are the facts and we are comfortable with them. we have killed far more than lost however you wish to quantify it.... but an interesting point to consider if you wish to measure isk performance might be who has the bigger wallet, and therefore what are the losses as a percentage of wealth? and on that basis who can last longer? I guess only time will tell
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HyJek



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Han LaoTsu wrote:
I don't suppose I can speak for other alliances, but SWAT has a decent ratio, even by your own killboard:

http://kb.un-natural.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=480


To be very blunt, no one cares about SWAT. You aren't fielding any capitals against us, you field very few BS against us, mainly just t1 cruisers and frigs. Those stats are just a result of your alliance riding HUZZAH/OSS's coattails. If you guys left this fight there would be no change on the current situation in Syndicate.
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Revnant



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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Location: Undocking my Arty Reaper

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arguments with KB stats are doomed to end badly as each side throws stats at each other thinking their KB shows whats really going on. KB's of course don't show people who run away and friendly losses who obviously don't include their losses on your killboard. Just as Notr don't count as losses on Swat's board, DAB don't show as losses on Unnat's.
That goes for both sides, I'm not directing that at wreck or swat or whoever the fuck, just sayin it cause the conversation is going downhill fast.

We'd all be better off at this point to just stop the subversive smack and the outright smack and can the rollyeyes (sweetraptorjesus I hate that emoticon).

Changing the subject back to the small gang stuff, NOTR was fucking around in a 6-7 man gang around 35- and connecting systems. Gang got ADD and split up and at first missed out on Unnat deimos and a vaga. Bait ruppy went in and managed to convince the deimos, vaga, crow, claymore and rapier to move off station. The crow was one volleyed even though it went 10k/s o_O and the deimos and vaga met their makers as well.
Local was twice our gang size and red so we grabbed the faction loot and left.

Refitting to some heavier stuff to see if their bigger hardware was willing to get out of dock range we went back. Baiting had only just commenced when word of a 10man Bruce gang incoming. Bait was moved, gang was repositioned...only to be busted by a scouting cov-ops. Bruce came on anyway and agressed props to them \o/ Half their gang died but we couldn't get our HIC out in time to save it. Avu is a poof though so we don't mind that he died. Headed back home and killed the rest of their gang when they tried to leave. Bruce gang was full T1 cruiser fit so I think they came out on top : /
Syndicate is awesome sauce and a cluster fuck of goodness.

I find pos op's and fleet stuff boring so don't hate if the above report isn't your thing. Pardon the spelling & grammar I'm a lil drunk.
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eTerNullus



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets stop the KB stat stuff, efficency/kills:death ratio however u wanna look at it. (as it never ends well like Revnant said).

Anyway LOT of pewpew around atm, lots of fleet engagements, Small gang roaming atm is abit ripe, and Huzzah and Co usually come out on top. Every major Fleet engagement we have had UNAT and co come out on top.

On friday we missed aload of cap kills because of lag while bridging and a dictor bubble on out fleet (well done there guys) we were going for ur caps tho Smile but GJ on getting them out and where was the Hel Smile huzzah.

Anyway lets see what happens tonight! Smile
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MasterDecoy



Joined: 25 May 2007
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revnant wrote:

Syndicate is awesome sauce and a cluster fuck of goodness.


amen to that.
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Red Crown



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOTR hit and killed a T1 cruiser gang from BRUCE today apparently. Wasn't there but thats what the KBs say.
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Machiu Troyan



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Crown wrote:
NOTR hit and killed a T1 cruiser gang from BRUCE today apparently. Wasn't there but thats what the KBs say.


Confirming this and what Rev said. I think the T1 gang had one cruiser left after two engagements (about half got away the first time) Laughing but I think they had fun, too.

'twas a massive faction-fit Crow that zoomed right into the rupture's web range too and melted before we could even decloak in 35-.
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lorcar



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fun is still being had by all I think, completely with a station dock undock fest in m2, and props to UN for undocking and fighting, especially since there looked to be two large fights happening in system. Was a bit of a stare fest until UN engaged. While I past the engagement link, it doesn't tell nearly the full story of who was in system and warped to the other nano fight, or docked .

http://notr.darkfrontier.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10956


Sad at a titan gate camping cloaked in 35-, using a raven as bait. (someone else can tell the full story, but there was a fair amount of lol associated with it, props for taking it out to play), note to avatar pilot : for that to work, you have to be in range of the ships you are DDing, you weren't.

1 loss of a cov ops by OSS, 2 loss of a raven and cerb in iirh (yes, we DO leave ships behind...Smile)

http://notr.darkfrontier.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10958




Pretty damn good day all told. Oh, and some poor fool lost his dread looting a hauler spawn.


http://notr.darkfrontier.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10949 <--- Nag


Another fun day in Syndicate, and yes, Avu is a poof.
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Revnant



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just like to thank Telstra Clear for killing my internets half way through the fun. fuckers : [
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MasterDecoy



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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lorcar wrote:
Pretty damn good day all told. Oh, and some poor fool lost his dread looting a hauler spawn.


lol poor bastard...
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Blight1



Joined: 10 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations for being terminally stupid. STFU about K:D ratios, KBs, numbers, etc., especially when you approach it with an attiude like this. -kery
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CiaphasKhaine



Joined: 16 Apr 2008
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Location: Syndicate, kicking ass and taking names!

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the Un-Nat prospective so far:

Good things:

1) We moved into 35- and have not been pushed out yet, despite being heavily outnumbered.

2) none of our large pos's have been destroyed

3) We have started to move into the s-u cluster area its self now that we have the large pos in ZV-

4) we get big fights daily and whatever people say on here, were all having a good time, isk efficiency or not

5) We have actually grown larger as this conflict has gone on, and have grown more centralized/organized

Bad Things:

1) we havent stolen any high end moons yet

2) none of the enemy alliances have given up yet

3) sacul is still a noob :D
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