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Christopher Multsanti
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| Cippalippus wrote: | | What is a good fight? A fair fight? Do you send your pilots home if you have more pilots than your enemy? |
Back way when, people used to do that, ATUK did it against us once and they still raped us. Just goes to show you how much the game has moved on and not for the better.
All this hostility just goes to show what eve has become and what people priorities have become.
This seems to me like the best thing that could have happened to MC, a lot of bad decisons have been made (easy for me to say now) but I would say MC made a mistake ever making a deal with BOB in the first place.
It may look bleak for MC, but hopefully Seelene will return start again and rebuild MC to what it once was, a completely nuetral merc alliance that had the respect and admiration of the majority of Eve. GL MC.
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luckyduck
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Vily wrote: | | luckyduck wrote: | | Vily wrote: |
fair enough, we pissed off every ally we might have had.
our numbers in the last day or two have been higher than usual by a good 20%.
as to spy's i dont know what your talknig about bud. I have not seen a single thread about spies on our forum. so i'd like you to bad that up with something if you could please.
proper stronting is pointless. you have had and will have full system control until you decide to surrender it. when your weak timezone wise, so are we, and if bob even smells a fight you'll pick up fifty members in minutes. And we both know any planned op would be easily announced for bob as well. We could have tried truly enough, but it would only have ended poorly for us.
i dont remember any 300 man tortuga fleets but the rest of that paragraph is dead on. |
Vily, I think the only thing that's left to say is that bob fights with a passion, where as you guys haven't really shown any in the past 6 months. Where's the fire you showed taking the north? Where's the will you showed when AAA attacked?
One of the biggest complaints in the BoB leadership about you before things truly fell apart was how much complaining we heard about you actually having to fight in fat, not seeing a steamroll. How much you hated that bob wouldn't recoup your titan loss, even though they helped tremendously with the BPO (essentially half the titan cost if you don't have one). How many Battleships you were losing all b/c of bob's war, forget the fun times had while losing them.
For the longest time, even I didn't understand why we didn't just steamroll. We had the ability, but didn't take the right actions to do so. Then one day I woke up and said hey, I'm probably having more fun with the actual fights anyways, fuck it, lets go. I chose not to turn my back on friends, to stick it out.
Even when I finally departed from bob for a different roll, I didn't take the easy road and just align with the other side. I completely removed myself from the theater, because quite frankly, anything else would have been me turning on friends, and I refused to do that.
You (MC) called bob selfish, but they were trying to provide you with some of the best fighting experiences you could ask for in this game. All you (MC) did in return was sit in the corner and pout on open forums. They have a right to be angry. They have a right to do anything they can to make this game unpleasant for you right now. Quite honestly, I'm pissed i can't be there to help them.
Sometimes, old friends need a giant kick in the ass when they really fuck up. |
i pretty much agree with most of this. MC most certainly doesn't seem to have that passion where we used too.
from what i have seen the leadership of MC has made ALOT, and i mean ALOT of bad choices, others get to live with it.
whats done is done.
irregardless, i have been in a alliance as it lost it's space before, its not overly fun, but it usually happens for a reason.
the only thing i take offense at is certain comments saying we should have done things in one way or another. Not because we should have but because alot of those choices were made quite clear to leadership and chosen against.
enjoy the space, enjoy the victory. I dont really know what to say.
I am very much a believer in surivival of the fittest(which means our death is all good) im still a tad annoyed at the gay assed DD, but im trying to be respectful as i can.
ps.. i dont recall calling bob selfish, so i'll assume thats a MC ratehr than me comment. |
all of it pertains to mc as a whole, whether an individual is to blame is up to himself and god. |
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AerO
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I, for one, -do- hold much respect for MC even throughout the years.
They should've let BOB off earlier, it started with a contract, space to benefit from (income is important for your pilots), but it developed into somewhat of a difficult situation to get yourself out of. You start relying on your space and don't want to deal with the hassle of changing it. It's called somewhat of a slumber, not having the energy to do something completely out of the ordinary.
I think MC did the right thing, stabbing BOB in the face and claiming independency again when the opportunity came.
Don't get me wrong though, I hold just as much respect to BOB, I just know that no corp or alliance should end up being forced to bow for their 'overlords'.
End of the day I really wonder how the war will last. I still need to gather my starter kit of facts, before I can follow what's going on exactly  I just hope it won't go at the cost of Dire's awesome movies!
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cleisthenes
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| AerO wrote: | I, for one, -do- hold much respect for MC even throughout the years.
They should've let BOB off earlier, it started with a contract, space to benefit from (income is important for your pilots), but it developed into somewhat of a difficult situation to get yourself out of. You start relying on your space and don't want to deal with the hassle of changing it. It's called somewhat of a slumber, not having the energy to do something completely out of the ordinary.
I think MC did the right thing, stabbing BOB in the face and claiming independency again when the opportunity came.
Don't get me wrong though, I hold just as much respect to BOB, I just know that no corp or alliance should end up being forced to bow for their 'overlords'.
End of the day I really wonder how the war will last. I still need to gather my starter kit of facts, before I can follow what's going on exactly I just hope it won't go at the cost of Dire's awesome movies! |
If you took the time to read what blacklight had posted few pages ago, you will realise there was no FORCING TO BOW to the overlords ever in this mutual agreement between MC and BoB.
MC liked the agreement and hence they stayed. The dealings in which this mutual agreement started is off no relevance as whats done is done and it cannot be changed, all that is left is payback+tax.
I have met a few MC pilots and also have lots of fun chats with them now and again ingame. What happens ingame stays that way. Will still buy you a pint 
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Cassius Hawkeye
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Cflux wrote: | | But you must admit that DD was god damn cool now that you know how we got the password - since hating Krall is hopefully shared by us both. Think it this way, that DD was like seal on his fate. |
Still a bit 'meh' but it does have a sweet irony in a way - i'll drink to that, T H E K E Y, and all that jazz. |
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Domi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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For those of you posting... MC in no way steamrolled D2 in the North... they were the TIP of the spear if you will, the organizing hammerforce.. They had tons of support pilots from 6-7 different alliances. Axiom,Youwhat,Aftermath,Fatal Alliance,Vigilance Infinitus, etc...
MC was always just the tip of the spear, like the Marines... they forgot that somewhere along the way or tried to change what they were. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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AerO
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| cleisthenes wrote: |
If you took the time to read what blacklight had posted few pages ago, you will realise there was no FORCING TO BOW to the overlords ever in this mutual agreement between MC and BoB.
MC liked the agreement and hence they stayed. The dealings in which this mutual agreement started is off no relevance as whats done is done and it cannot be changed, all that is left is payback+tax.
I have met a few MC pilots and also have lots of fun chats with them now and again ingame. What happens ingame stays that way. Will still buy you a pint |
What I'm trying to say is that an entity can become dependent of a 'host' entity. Don't tell me BOB didn't have any rules on MC.
Things start to get taken for granted and I can only imagine that over time, MC was forced to shove things down their throat to survive.
It's not fun to be in someone's shadow at any time, and their climb to get out of it and be 'themselves' again is certainly something to admire.
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Prefect Six
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Domi wrote: | For those of you posting... MC in no way steamrolled D2 in the North... they were the TIP of the spear if you will, the organizing hammerforce.. They had tons of support pilots from 6-7 different alliances. Axiom,Youwhat,Aftermath,Fatal Alliance,Vigilance Infinitus, etc...
MC was always just the tip of the spear, like the Marines... they forgot that somewhere along the way or tried to change what they were. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Come on Domi, we both know Aftermath was shit. Also, lol at VI and Fatal. Not even worth mentioning tbh, especially the former.
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elmicker
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Prefect Six wrote: | | Also, lol at VI and Fatal. Not even worth mentioning tbh, especially the former. |
As a former member of the former.
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Von Zarovick
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| can't we all just, get along ? |
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JabJabVVV
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| AerO wrote: | | I think MC did the right thing, stabbing BOB in the face and claiming independency again when the opportunity came. |
How can it possibly be the right decision when it looks as if it might lead to the death of the alliance?
Living in someone's shadow > being a shadow of your former self.
They should have gone up North imo, or done pretty much anything other than what they ended up doing. Although I guess that's easy enough to say with the benefits of hindsight. 
At the end of the day it'll be a shame if MC go out with a whimper instead of a bang (forum drama not withstanding), kind of makes me glad I wont be active again until it'll (probably) be all over.
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SuperFlyJimmySnuka
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Prefect Six wrote: | | Domi wrote: | For those of you posting... MC in no way steamrolled D2 in the North... they were the TIP of the spear if you will, the organizing hammerforce.. They had tons of support pilots from 6-7 different alliances. Axiom,Youwhat,Aftermath,Fatal Alliance,Vigilance Infinitus, etc...
MC was always just the tip of the spear, like the Marines... they forgot that somewhere along the way or tried to change what they were. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Come on Domi, we both know Aftermath was shit. Also, lol at VI and Fatal. Not even worth mentioning tbh, especially the former. |
As a combatant on the side of the alliance (in FIX) during that campaign, I can say that Domi's description of the situation is much more accurate than your "lulz, those alliances were shit". Even if many of those alliances failed to hold on to the space that was given to them afterwards, they played an important role in the conflict. A good FC is a force multiplier, and while the individual pilots may not have been on par with the average MC pilot, there generally made a good showing of themselves. They were important in ensuring that the alliance fleets had enough rank and file to engage D2, which was a larger alliance than MC, had plenty of allies, and supercapitals of their own (Just being a grunt, I am not certain, but I don't think MC had titans deployed in the Northern campaign while D2 did)
While MC were impressive, and the subsequent failures of the new northern residents was catastrophic, it would be ignorant to say that the outcome of that campaign was not affected by the secondary players. |
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Ishkabibble
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I have a question, just dont know if has been answered or relevant at this point, but its mostly out of curiosity....
During your push up north, after taking branch and having secured the area, why, if your intentions were to take a region of your own as a safe haven, did you decide on PB rather than Branch??
You had many friends in the area that you can easily reset at a later time, you solidified the area and could have easily fortified it and surround yourself with alliances that would not have threatened you in any way using the fear factor, and you were at the opposite end of the map from the 2 power blocks in the south??
If it had to do with the stations put up in PB, the moons up north could have bought you another 2 or 3 outposts within a months time, if you took all the prom and dyspo moons that is.
Im not expecing and answer, but for me its a question i always wondered. |
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Krugerrand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ishkabibble wrote: |
During your push up north, after taking branch and having secured the area, why, if your intentions were to take a region of your own as a safe haven, did you decide on PB rather than Branch??
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I suppose there are two reasons for this:
1) Already established in PB with 3 outposts, sov 4. Relocating to the other end of the galaxy, to what would be mostly an unknown future, would be certainly risky and a lot of work.
2) GBC at this time were doing well, why abandon "friends/allies" then? The first we heard about the Tortuga project was when MC were about 1-2 weeks away from invasion and it looked like BoB were not going to help defend MC PB assets, at least that was the perspective we were giving.
edit - funnily enough this was a question we asked to ourselves when we became involved, as we wondered if they would still be interested if we offered a different area of space. I dunno if we ever asked the question or got an answer, most of our logs from that time have gone since we wiped our director board.
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Ishkabibble
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Krugerrand wrote: |
I suppose there are two reasons for this:
1) Already established in PB with 3 outposts, sov 4. Relocating to the other end of the galaxy, to what would be mostly an unknown future, would be certainly risky and a lot of work.
2) GBC at this time were doing well, why abandon "friends/allies" then? The first we heard about the Tortuga project was when MC were about 1-2 weeks away from invasion and it looked like BoB were not going to help defend MC PB assets, at least that was the perspective we were giving. |
Claiming neutrality in a region that has been part of an alliance since its inception WILL harbor bad feelings and most likely manifest itself into a "who the fuck do they think they are taking our shit" war (which is happening now)
With that logic, and with all due respect cause for me its a great history lesson that will be major part of EvE's history for years to come, was 60B in assets in a sov 4 constellation really worth not only the worst PR hit for a merc entitiy, but the threat of dissolving one of the most reputable merc alliances in EvE? |
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